I know this is quite dated. Not sure why I did not post this earlier. Anyway it still contains some valuable insights towards trading that are timeless.
It has been around 9 months since the last gathering in Apr 09. Darren did a recap of the market since the last gathering and showed Keane’s “prediction” was realised – Keane urged us to start buying and stop shorting the market and it was true enough SG market recovered around 100% and some HK counters even increased up to 300%.
Being a mentor, he encouraged us to attend the mentor sessions regularly as he strongly believe that the success in trading is highly correlated to the number of mentor sessions he/she attends. He realised that most beginners get into the market when the market is retracing and experienced many losses which discouraged them from trading. This cost them to miss the opportunity when the trend moves. When the trend has proven itself, they gain the confidence to go in again but only to find out the retracement began. They tend to be trapped in this viscious cycle for some time and by attending mentor sessions will allow beginners to know which part of the trend they are in and will help to breakaway from the losing cycle.
After a short recap on some of the charts, Darren invited Keane to the stage.
We were shocked to see Keane on clutches! He explained to us he fractured his left foot while rollerblading with his kids. But he still made the effort to speak to us personally and stand throughout the session to make a more impactful presentation.
How was T3B system applied to Pre, During and Post Crisis
Pre-crisis – riding the entire uptrending stocks but always prepared for downturn and exit when trough broken. The market is a mousetrap = easy to get in but difficult to get out. But as T3B traders, we will always get out when the trough is broken and will never be under the mercy of the market. We will be able to focus on the next opportunity to go in the market rather than worrying when can we get out.
During Crisis – Short selling was the main business and T3B system continues to rake in profits in a down market.
All in all, Keane use the analogy that the market is like a dark forest, T3B system functions like an Infra-Red goggles to help us appreciate the situation but we can never change the circumstances.
Current Market Condition
[I believe this is what you are looking for...] We are in the midst of bull market (somewhere halfway of it), hence the potential upside is still present. The recent pullback is a good preparation for S3 opportunities. The uptrend is still intact and should not short the market now! Keane mentioned he will call for another gathering when the market condition changes.
The recent retracement can be attributed to 2 reasons. 1) China government cooling the overheating economy, especially the property market. 2) Obama declared the intention to downsize banks. These are attempts to create a soft landing for the markets.
Bullish about China and Renminbi
China exported alot during the crisis to grow her economy. To boost exports, the government has to keep Renminbi low and they artificially pegged it to USD, by selling Yuan and buy USD. As USD weakens, Renminbi weakens in tandem. In this way, Renminbi is suppressed. Keane believed RMB will one day value itself properly and he himself is holding RMB. He urged everyone to hold excess cash in RMB by opening an account with Bank of China locally. He only converts it to S$ when he needs the money.
China has already taken over Germany as the world’s largest exporter. By end of this year, China is expected to overtake Japan as the 2nd largest economy in the world and it is only a matter of the time, China will take the number 1 spot. Within 3 years, it is expected that China’s stock market will overtake US’s Hence, going with China and RMB won’t be wrong.
As we cannot trade China A shares, we can capitalize on H shares (Chinese companies listed in HK). Trading both SG and HK markets is advantageous as the latter usually lead the former. For example, recently, HK market pulled back while SG market continue to trend upwards, giving profitable opportunities.
Keane shared a real story with us: someone invested in US stocks and enjoyed a 40% gain. But because of the devaluation of USD, coupled with the spread cost, his gains were wiped out! It makes even more sense to invest in HK as HKD will strengthen with growth of China’s economy and you can have double gain (stock and currency).
ON TRADING THE T3B SYSTEM
You must have confidence in the system!
Keane mentioned that he uses T3B charts 100% of the time. There are no other indicators he rely on. He wants to assure us that what we know is enough to give us an edge in the market. “What would you do if you know you will never fail?” implies we need to trade with conviction!
Keane relate a story in “Think and Grow Rich” – a gold miner failed his exploration only to find out if he persisted 3 more feet, he could have found the gold. The message is that we need to persist in trading, even if we have to cut our losses. Take cut losses as expenses or cost of doing trading business.
Take Action!
Repeating his advice from his last Apr gathering, he reminded those who did not trade and looked back after STI almost hit 3,200, they should regret for not taking action. In fact you must make yourself feel the pain as much as possible so that you will take action. Remember, the rich gets richer because they take action and the poor only think of taking action. If you are lazy to screen so many stocks, just trade STI ETF! SGX is another easy to monitor stock. It’s earnings is highly dependable on trading volume. T3B system clearly works as many have benefited from it and if it is not working for you, you have to find out the reasons.
But I have not enough capital!
“Find more money!” Keane said, in respond to people who said they have no capital. Keane shared his personal story on how he find more money during his younger days. He took action to find more money and he was not afraid of hardships. How much do you want to sacrifice to succeed? There are many ways to work with small capital. You can trade smaller cap stocks in the same industry. For example, Allgreen vs City Dev. Most blue chip China banks cost less than S$1! You can also use CFD leverage, it is a form of good debt because it helps you to make more money. The financing charges are negligible.
Attachment to Money
The more you are detached from money, the richer you will become. Keane told the story about 2 Buddhist monks, who met a woman along a stream. The woman asked if she could be carried across the stream and the elder monk obliged. As the monks proceed their journey, the younger monk asked the elder that it is against their religion to touch woman. The elder replied that he has dropped the woman a while ago and it is the younger monk that has yet to let go. The moment we are attached to money, we will find it very hard to risk our money to trade and feel very painful to cut loss everytime. Hence, it is unlikely we can perform like what a successful trader can be.
Record your trades
You should record your trades so to understand how you behave in the market and when you use the system. When it comes to the same situation, your past mistakes will warn you not to take the same approach and your correct actions will give the confidence boost to act accordingly.
BEYOND TRADING
Questions to ask yourself (whether you are financially free?)
1) Are you paid by time?
2) Are you earning 8hrs or 24/?
3) If you stop working, will money continue to come in?
4) Do you have multiple streams of income?
5) If you are an employee, are you working for an employer who is being left behind?
6) Are your friends and family moving forward?
Property investing
Keane has several properties in SG and other countries. He shared how he invest in properties. He buys only in core region, ie, the central areas. He added that it is safer to buy where the expatriates are. It just relate to me what Robert Kiyosaki said, buy properties where jobs are. He also look at PSF and make sure the price is reasonable. Most importantly, choose good agents and know what is the lowest price offered.
My personal takeaway: If I know by trading and following T3B system will never fail to make me rich, what will I do? I will get as much capital I can to trade! The fact that I am not focusing all my money in trading is because I have some doubts in it. It does not pay to have doubts in trading. The more doubts I have, the less successful I will be in trading. I am taking action to channel more resources to trading and focus on growing wealth by applying T3B system. If I know by trading and following T3B system will never fail to make me rich, what will I do?
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i wonder if trading can ever replace employed income….does anyone here earn 10k a month from pure tradiing?…..and to earn 10K a mth….what kind of position sizing and capital would you advocate….
i wonder if trading can ever replace employed income….does anyone here earn 10k a month from pure tradiing?…..and to earn 10K a mth….what kind of position sizing and capital would you advocate….
there are traders who can. but not many
there are traders who can. but not many
So how we can be among these traders? So Alvin are you just purely trading or have a day job? I have been trading for one year…so far I can only preserve my capital or make a small loss… I have frens who lost 50K trading the fx markets before…there are many gurus out there such as Kishore, etc, etc and many people selling systems that proclaim can give you profits…I doubt that it is really so good….pardon me if I am wrong…
I would like to trade for a living but don’t think it is possible yet…I have read books like trading for an living by dr alexander bell, the turtle way…etc etc….
So how we can be among these traders? So Alvin are you just purely trading or have a day job? I have been trading for one year…so far I can only preserve my capital or make a small loss… I have frens who lost 50K trading the fx markets before…there are many gurus out there such as Kishore, etc, etc and many people selling systems that proclaim can give you profits…I doubt that it is really so good….pardon me if I am wrong…
I would like to trade for a living but don’t think it is possible yet…I have read books like trading for an living by dr alexander bell, the turtle way…etc etc….
Hi Alvin,
Every system is Not Perfect. As a user , you need to know and accept the deficiencies of any system you employ.
Hi Alvin,
Every system is Not Perfect. As a user , you need to know and accept the deficiencies of any system you employ.
Chemmie, I have a day job and trading is just one of the things I would want to try. I have set aside a sum of money for me to trade. Even if it does not work out for me, and lost the entire sum, it will not affect my financial situation. The reasons why I am doing this is because I like it and the potential reward is high if I am successful. So no harm doing right?
Ryan, I agree with you. I am trying to find my problem when using the system. As other people have successes with the system, the only problem can only be myself. And I am trying to find out what I did wrong.
Chemmie, I have a day job and trading is just one of the things I would want to try. I have set aside a sum of money for me to trade. Even if it does not work out for me, and lost the entire sum, it will not affect my financial situation. The reasons why I am doing this is because I like it and the potential reward is high if I am successful. So no harm doing right?
Ryan, I agree with you. I am trying to find my problem when using the system. As other people have successes with the system, the only problem can only be myself. And I am trying to find out what I did wrong.
That’s cool and very sensible Alvin…me too….I am only trading money out of my emergency fund and out of my core investments basically money that does not matter to me….problem is no kick because trading small lots but do not wish to trade bigger in case I suffer losses…so I suppose your trading system goes for home runs like the turtle system if you say the potential reward is high? I believe the T3B system go for trends and breakaways….
That’s cool and very sensible Alvin…me too….I am only trading money out of my emergency fund and out of my core investments basically money that does not matter to me….problem is no kick because trading small lots but do not wish to trade bigger in case I suffer losses…so I suppose your trading system goes for home runs like the turtle system if you say the potential reward is high? I believe the T3B system go for trends and breakaways….
Hope my comments dun get deleted again. Haha.
Anyway Chemmie, trading has to be treated like a business, not a lottery. Fear comes from not knowing what you should know. Why do you wish to trade big lots? To earn big gainers? What if you are right and bang the buck how does it make you feel? What if you are wrong and gain a huge drawdown? How does that makes you feel? If emotional rides are what you looking for? Go casinos, you lose your shirts but you get free drinks and distraction.
Trading has to be treated with Business Risk, meaning how much are you willing to stake out to win back the stacks + profits. I.E
Publisher for books, how many titles they have to buy and print b4 someone like J. K. Rowling b4 Harry Potter comes along and pay back losses and with profits. Trading Systems are plentyful but each comes with flaw and each comes with performance. How much of it you can pay back with profits if it performs?
Cheers.
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Hope my comments dun get deleted again. Haha.
Anyway Chemmie, trading has to be treated like a business, not a lottery. Fear comes from not knowing what you should know. Why do you wish to trade big lots? To earn big gainers? What if you are right and bang the buck how does it make you feel? What if you are wrong and gain a huge drawdown? How does that makes you feel? If emotional rides are what you looking for? Go casinos, you lose your shirts but you get free drinks and distraction.
Trading has to be treated with Business Risk, meaning how much are you willing to stake out to win back the stacks + profits. I.E
Publisher for books, how many titles they have to buy and print b4 someone like J. K. Rowling b4 Harry Potter comes along and pay back losses and with profits. Trading Systems are plentyful but each comes with flaw and each comes with performance. How much of it you can pay back with profits if it performs?
Cheers.
No backlinks today.
We need to know when to follow our system (whatever system we employ) and when not to. A system is a tool. We MUST not be a slave to our trading system. I realised that if I can cut down the occurences of trading during the time when I’m not suppose to follow the system, my expectancy increased quite a bit. So how do you do it? Find something that you interested in other than trading like reading a book or something or computer games. When the time comes not to follow your system, engage in those activities.
We need to know when to follow our system (whatever system we employ) and when not to. A system is a tool. We MUST not be a slave to our trading system. I realised that if I can cut down the occurences of trading during the time when I’m not suppose to follow the system, my expectancy increased quite a bit. So how do you do it? Find something that you interested in other than trading like reading a book or something or computer games. When the time comes not to follow your system, engage in those activities.
Good advice!
Good advice!