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Noah and Joseph rule the Stock Market

by Alvin on March 24, 2010

I am crediting this post to Benoit Mandelbrot, who illustrated the 2 irregularities of the financial market as Noah effect and Joseph effect. All quotes in this post are taken from his book, “The (Mis)behaviour of Markets”.

Both of them are biblical characters. Probably Noah is the more famous of the two.

“As Genesis relates, in Noah’s six hundredth year God ordered the Great Flood to purify a wicked world. Then “were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” Noah survived, of course: He prepared against the coming flood by building a ship strong enough to withstand it. The flood came and went – catastrophic, but transient. Market crashes are like that.” Noah effect is used to indicate that the market crashes from time to time. The effect of each financial crisis is detrimental, with billions of wealth wiped out, but it only lasts for a short period of time.

And about Joseph: “Pharaoh dreamed that seven fat cattle were feeding in the meadows, when seven lean kine rose out of the Nile and ate them. Likewise, seven scraggly ears of corn consumed seven plump ears. Joseph, a Hebrew slave, called the dreams prophetic: Seven years of famine would follow seven years of prosperity.” To illustrate further, “a big 3 percent change in IBM’s stock one day might precede a 2 percent jump another day, then a 1.5 percent change, then a 3.5 percent move – as if the first big jumps were continuing to echo down the suceeding days’ trading.” What he is trying to say is that market trends. Price moves have momentum, it continues in one direction for a period of time before changing direction. And this is called the Joseph effect. You may be interested to read this post on The Joseph Cycle.

So with the knowledge of these 2 effects, how will it affect how you invest?

First, market will crash whether you like it or not. Buy and hold may not be a good method. Holding on during a crash may deplete your profits greatly. Profit taking when the market is experiencing euphoria may be a more sensible way. This is very important. Avoiding a crash will preserve your capital. However, you can never be able to sell at the market top so you have to make do with exiting early. For traders, a crash is good for shorting. Market come down faster than it goes up, so you earn big profits in a short time when you short during a crisis.

Second, market trends in clusters. This is good news for trend following traders who trade on momentum, getting in the trend and exiting after it ends. Investors can only make money when you hold through at least few of these trends. Even a few of these trends take a few years, that’s why you must have the patience to hold. But once the trends become parabolic, signalling euphoria, you need to exit before the Noah effect kicks in.

You may also like:

  1. The Joseph Cycle by Simon Sim
  2. Warren Buffett – "Rule No.1: Never lose money. Rule No.2: Never forget rule No.1."
  3. Cycle of Market Emotions
  4. CANSLIM Stock Picking System
  5. Wisdom from The New Market Wizards
  6. Rule of 72
  7. Investing Strategy – Trend Following
  8. 90 Days Attribute to 95% of Profits

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Dennis Ng March 25, 2010 at 4:40 pm

yes, markets go in cycles. Thus, it is possible to make money by “Market Cycle Investing”. ie. getting in when market is generally low and getting out when market is high…

Looking at the stock market in Singapore, it is still possible to find companies paying 8% dividends or more, thus, currently, the market is not too high yet. I’m holding on to my stocks (I sold most of my stocks in year 2007 and started buying big in Oct 2008)….now my overall portfolio is up 40%….I would have done much better if I bought at market bottom….however, one only knows where is the market bottom after the bottom passes us by…

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Dennis Ng March 25, 2010 at 4:40 pm

yes, markets go in cycles. Thus, it is possible to make money by “Market Cycle Investing”. ie. getting in when market is generally low and getting out when market is high…

Looking at the stock market in Singapore, it is still possible to find companies paying 8% dividends or more, thus, currently, the market is not too high yet. I’m holding on to my stocks (I sold most of my stocks in year 2007 and started buying big in Oct 2008)….now my overall portfolio is up 40%….I would have done much better if I bought at market bottom….however, one only knows where is the market bottom after the bottom passes us by…

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Daniel March 26, 2010 at 12:22 am

I think its quite natural for most people to have herd instinct because being in the herd provides a sense of security. When we lose we are not alone, as comfort. When we win we are quite special. The fear of missing the boat prompt many to jump on a sinking ship. When the ship is sea worthy upon the sight of land many can’t wait to jump off the ship. Actually these are 2 stories of greed and fear or fear and greed, they are interchangeable. The reason why market moves up and down is driven by fear and greed. The fundamental of economies or companies do not change overnight or over weeks or over months but yet price changes constantly because the people assessing them changes their point of view because of fear or greed. The market behaviour now is the same as it was hundred of years ago because human nature has not change. A successful trader is constantly looking for someone so that he can buy cheap from him when he is fearful and sell high to him when he is greedy. The weakest link in any trading system is the trader and when it comes to trading, fear and greed are the only 2 emotions to watch to determine success or failure.

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Daniel March 26, 2010 at 12:22 am

I think its quite natural for most people to have herd instinct because being in the herd provides a sense of security. When we lose we are not alone, as comfort. When we win we are quite special. The fear of missing the boat prompt many to jump on a sinking ship. When the ship is sea worthy upon the sight of land many can’t wait to jump off the ship. Actually these are 2 stories of greed and fear or fear and greed, they are interchangeable. The reason why market moves up and down is driven by fear and greed. The fundamental of economies or companies do not change overnight or over weeks or over months but yet price changes constantly because the people assessing them changes their point of view because of fear or greed. The market behaviour now is the same as it was hundred of years ago because human nature has not change. A successful trader is constantly looking for someone so that he can buy cheap from him when he is fearful and sell high to him when he is greedy. The weakest link in any trading system is the trader and when it comes to trading, fear and greed are the only 2 emotions to watch to determine success or failure.

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Alvin March 26, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Daniel sounds like a trader :)

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Alvin March 26, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Daniel sounds like a trader :)

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Daniel March 27, 2010 at 7:38 am

It’s good to engage and share idea because once something is understood we gain a better understanding, a better perspective and we grow from there. That is also why people said trading is a psychological game. “There is nothing good or bad, thinking makes it so”.

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Daniel March 27, 2010 at 7:38 am

It’s good to engage and share idea because once something is understood we gain a better understanding, a better perspective and we grow from there. That is also why people said trading is a psychological game. “There is nothing good or bad, thinking makes it so”.

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Createwealth8888 March 27, 2010 at 8:59 am

Lesson from Noah’s Portfolio: diversify and just buy a pair of stocks from each sector in the market.

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Createwealth8888 March 27, 2010 at 8:59 am

Lesson from Noah’s Portfolio: diversify and just buy a pair of stocks from each sector in the market.

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Fred Tam July 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm

Dear All cycles lecturers,

I am inviting any good cycle lecturers to help present a 3 1/2 hours or 7 hours lecture on market cycles at our technical analysis course in KL in August 2010.

Kindly respond to me at fredtam@streamyx.com.

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Fred Tam July 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm

Dear All cycles lecturers,

I am inviting any good cycle lecturers to help present a 3 1/2 hours or 7 hours lecture on market cycles at our technical analysis course in KL in August 2010.

Kindly respond to me at fredtam@streamyx.com.

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